Jon Landay has a very good piece about Gen. McChrystal overruling his officers’ judgment in eastern Afghanistan about closing two remote military outposts that “were worthless and too costly to defend.” An official investigation into a deadly insurgent attack on one of them last fall ignored McChrystal’s role in the decision and appears to hang out to dry the colonel and the lieutenant colonel who wanted the bases shuttered. That’s wrong and can’t be allowed to happen. But McChrystal’s judgment in this case appears to be on the continuum between defensible and solid.
Here’s why McChrystal kept the bases in Nuristan Province open:
Nuristan Gov. Jamalluddin Badr pressured the United States publicly and privately to keep troops in Barg-e Matal to prevent the village from falling to the Taliban before Afghanistan’s Aug. 20 presidential election. The two U.S. defense officials said McChrystal’s decision to keep the outpost there open until the local militia was trained was intended to help Badr survive the political fallout had insurgents captured the village after an American withdrawal.
“Everyone knew why we were in Barg-e Matal,” one U.S. defense official said. “McChrystal . . . was not in favor of pulling out because of the political ramifications.”
Now, perhaps Governor Badr was just saving his ass. But perhaps he was also legitimately concerned with keeping Barg-e Matal out of the Taliban’s hands. Either way, here’s the governor of an Afghan province expressly asking the U.S. to delay redeployment — McChrystal has explicitly ordered remote outposts closed so as to focus on population centers — because of the prospect of Taliban infiltration, something that happens quite a lot in eastern provinces bordering Pakistan.
Say you’re McChrystal. You’re working on a campaign plan predicated on convincing the Afghan people their material needs — security, government services, economic activity, justice — will be secured by an Afghan government for now backstopped by NATO forces. That’s the heart of everything you will do in Afghanistan. You recognize that a move away from an ineffectual counterterrorism basing posture requires closing bases that aren’t in and around population centers. But an Afghan governor comes to you and says to hold off on closing one, just for a few months, so as not to give the Taliban the run of the place. Your commanders in the area say the base isn’t defensible. Their judgment can’t be ignored. But what will it mean for the broader objectives of the campaign if you ignore the Afghan governor and leave him and Barg-e Matal to its fate? Why will the Afghans, who’ve been let down so much by empty American promises, read that move as anything other than the U.S. viewing its peoples’ lives as more precious than theirs?
I’m not saying this is an easy call. I am not qualified to assess the defendability of a combat outpost and so I defer to Col. George and Lt. Col. Brown. I have been to a combat outpost in Paktia Province manned by a single cavalry troop that made me, in my very inexpert judgment, worry about its exposure to assault. And if there’s a decision made to keep the bases open, it’s more than legitimate to ask whether they could have been reinforced — and if so, why they weren’t (as they apparently weren’t).
But this is the sort of war where the perceptions of the Afghan people, as McChrystal famously said in his confirmation hearing, are strategically decisive. (That’s why it’s encouraging and not embarrassing that NATO polled the residents of Marja before Operation Moshtarek.) You obviously can’t protect everywhere. But there really is strategic value, if not uncomplicated value, to listening to Afghan officials when they ask you to keep a prophylactic presence against the Taliban, if only for a little while and however complicated by the prospect of a looming election. This is a judgment call. But it reflects favorably on the commander’s judgment that he prioritized his support for the Afghans when he made it.



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I think both sides have a bit of truth to them.
We shouldn’t be ceding areas to the Taliban. Therefore, in the strategic sense, the outposts needed to be in that area of Afghanistan. In the tactical sense, however, they were poorly emplaced. The best solution would be to have an outpost in the same general area, only on more tenable ground.
Hmmm … some other results of McClatchy investigation which you do not quote certainly call into question McChrystal’s “command judgement.” McChrystal’s failure was not simply an issue of listening to a local official, as the report notes, but of not acting on “warnings from his field commanders that it should be closed because it was vulnerable and had no tactical or strategic value.
From Pat Lang at Sic Semper Tyrannis
McChrystal’s certainly earned the benefit of the doubt.
Right?
It seems that this is one more example of a command structure that is more interested in political issues than tactics and strategy. This story being a microcosm of the attitude that has put us in Afghanistan. The will-o’-wisp Taliban not withstanding, when the top of the command structure ignores those in the field who tell them this is a bad plan because it serves a minor political purpose the outcome will be at best to solve a local political problem.
Of course one could say this about the entire adventure. Taliban now being effectively interchangeable with whichever Afghanis are against the American occupation, military or otherwise.
Here’s the link to Col Pat Lang’s piece mentioned by Raven above- http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/02/denial-of-artillery-support-this-is-betrayal.html
No, I address that specifically in the post, when I talk about how there is strategic value in listening to the Nuristan governor. What the two colonels are talk about is strictly military value. As I say, it’s a judgment call. But it’s a defensible call to decide that the mission depends on more than what’s in the interest of the U.S. military, which is what McChrystal did here.
What I was noting Spencer is that given the discussion of vulnerabilities, apparently no action was taken to even reposition the unit to a more defensible location as has been discussed by others in the past – even in the same official’s territory. Nor was action taken to make sure the troops in Ganjgal had the needed support when they were attacked.
It does not look like a binary situation – stay and change nothing or go?
So, McChrystal closes two outposts (where a number of our troops have been killed in recent weeks…) and wants to focus on “population centers”?
Color me underwhelmed. According to Hamid Unocal Karzai hey’re already doing a pretty good job of focusing on those:
http://wire.antiwar.com/2010/02/20/karzai-nato-still-causes-too-many-civilian-deaths-5/
While we’re at it, here’s a little grist for the mill:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/02/21/afghan-war-topples-dutch-govt/
The Dutch government just folded because their PM and leader of a center-right coalition was trying to reneg on his promise to get most of the 2,000 Dutch troops out by the end of this year. The Labor Party and the Christian Union Party said no more extensions; get ‘em home…
All of which is looking remarkably like the same kind of string-it-out bullshit that we got for most of bush’s two terms.
The question is, why is FDL giving Sencer Ackerman bandwidth to pimp this same old warbot shit?
Lest we forget, the OTHER clusterfuck isn’t looking like the Kumbayah Chorus, either:
http://wire.antiwar.com/2010/02/20/sunni-party-drops-out-of-iraqs-national-elections-4/
Having to resupply at night by helos at great risk of being shot down is nuts. Reminds me of the resupply by air of Dien Bien Phu and Khe Sanh.
Read the post. He kept them open.
Teddy; McChrystal has certainly earned the benefit of the doubt. After all, his courage and intelligence in helping Obama sustain and ratchet up bush’s noble effort to make Afghanistan safe for the Fortune 500 surely deserved the ongoing ability of knowing which questions not to ask.
And now Ackerman invites us to focus on the minutiae of “outposts” and firefight tactics, instead of talking about the fact that this identical bullshit has been going on for YEARS, while we keep hearing about the light at the end of the fucking-of-the-cluster tunnel.
Spencer says: “I am not qualified to assess the dependability of a combat outpost…”
I would say that that is an excellent disclaimer, Spencer.
Particularly since you’re also evidently not qualified to pronounce the bloody mouse-circus which Bush ginned up, and which Obama is continuing, as not being worth the loss of even one more life, american or afghan.
Which leads me to another question: Why are you posting this same old astronomically-expensive bloody-handed treacle about how staying the course is just the thing to do?
Siun is upstairs…
Marja Battle Just a Confidence Booster – But Not for Afghan Civilians
astronomically-expensive?
I thought that posting was cheap.
commenting, too.
Good for her! We need some fairness and balance. :o)
Now can we talk about McChrystal?
Here’s a piece that I think speaks to the good General’s…perspicacity, better than the originator of this thread:
http://reason.com/archives/2010/02/18/our-afghan-government-in-a-box
Mac, you’re too literal. At base, the most expensive thing about Afghanistan is the B.S. being used to perpetuate it. There. Fixed it. :o)
thanks.
but being a literalist, allow me to ask you if you find BS to be costly.
Perhaps you missed this line:
You certainly can ask. And I would ask, rhetorically, if you think that the B.S. used to get us into Iraq, and the B.S. that’s being to keep us in Afghanistan, was free. ???
My point is, that parsing strategy and infantry tactics at this point, is re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic…to the 12th power.
In fact, it’s even worse, since it holds out the promise of, at some time, the ship (of Aghanistan…) staying afloat and becoming user-friendly to america WITHOUT a substantial part of our military occupying the country and continuing to kill people in order to achieve and maintain that neo-con fantasy.
I don’t understand your argument at all. If the post was indefensible, then the best case is always going to be abandoning it before your people die. The worst case is abandoning it after your people die. The locals are not going to be in any way positively influenced by seeing Western soldiers get killed or driven off nearby.
That’s a good objection; thanks. The story isn’t entirely clear if in fact the bases in question were actually closed down, so I’m not sure we can conclude that the U.S. appeared to retreat. But it’s a sensible objection.
Bullshit.
If you have to override your local commanders and hold the territory, you properly resource it OR YOU GET OUT!
The bases were closed – after the troops were killed.
Let’s say they just don’t want our ‘stuff’, but our handpicked crony administrators do.
Read up on Native American history… especially the chapters on “Peace Chiefs”, and what happened to most of them.
BTW, WHAT would you do for a living if you couldn’t kiss-ass and second guess the indefensibly ignorant, nepotic bozos @ the Pentagon?
Wow, whatta thread.
Greetings from Jakarta.
@ Spencer, your overall point as I take it, that supporting a request from an Afghan governor might be an appropriate response even if it contravenes announced strategy, is sound enough. Inarguable, but not valuable except in relationship to all the calls of “bullshit” on McC. Without detailed information about alternatives — e.g., reinforcements, site shifts, re-supply options, etc — there’s not that much more to say.
@ tanbark: My Dutch colleague here claims that the upcoming Dutch pull-out is primarily motivated by a power-grab on the part of Labor party (?): They bring down the current coalition, prompt new elections, and gain votes before the forming of a new governing coalition. Sure, public anti-war sentiment and Afghanistan-fatigue enable these actions, but in his opinion the real prize and motivator is electoral. (His prediction is that a more balanced, and thus very ineffective, coalition will emerge that will form a hamstrung and incapable Dutch national govt.)
first off, Teddy’s right: whatta thread. Thanks everyone.
@eqbal00 @tanbark: I hope to have more on this later today thanks to an event I’m attending this afternoon.
Eqbal100 @ 27; why shouldn’t the people who want their troops home, and out of the shitmire, want more power? I’m sorry; if that was an attempt to impugn the motives of people opposed to having Dutch troops participate in what’s going on in Afghanistan any longer, I have to say, it’s pretty damn unconvincing.
The main reason that this happened is that Balkenende has already renged on the original agreement to get the troos out, back in 2008. He got an “extension” by cutting the deal with Labor and the Christian party to do it in 2010, and now he wants to string THAT out.
The left partners in the coalition, much to their credit, said no, and the cabinet collapsed, meaning there have to be new elections.
I see this as evidence of their conscientious opposotion to using the Dutch military to further american imperialism. Your, and Ackerman’s, mileage may vary, which is why, after 7 years of mayhem and bullshit, for you guys to STILL be trying to sell us this bloodspattered stay-the-course mobile, is beneath FDL to sponsor.
The short of it; the pitches that Ackerman is making are exactly what we heard for years from bushCo. Burying the huge immorality of continuing those policies, in a welter of minutiae about holding this, or manipulating that, while establishing a “government in a box” is, at this point, an obscenity.
It was bullshit from Bush supporters, and it’s bullshit from Obama supporters…of which I used to be one, in case anyone is wondering.
BTW, this morning, here’s some MORE minutiae for the stay-the-coursers:
http://apnews.myway.com//article/20100222/D9E1A4KG0.html