GUANTANAMO BAY — This is complicated. Something vexing a bunch of us in the press room — actually, I’ll just speak for myself here — is how to describe Interrogator Number 11 without falling into some rather odious gender double-standards.
The lay of the land: she’s an attractive young woman and former military interrogator who testified anonymously today about interrogating Omar Khadr at Guantanamo Bay in October-November 2002. Among the reasons she cited for landing the Khadr assignment was because she could pass as “more of a mother figure” for the detainee she exclusively called “Omar.” Except that she’s clearly too young to actually have been Khadr’s mother — a rough estimate would place her in her 20s or possibly early 30s during the interrogation of the then-16 year old detainee. Lt. Col. Jon Jackson, one of Khadr’s attorneys, hinted during cross examination of what many of us were speculating/smirking about: the military assigned a young and attractive woman to the interrogation of a scared teenage boy to add a sexual frisson, however subtle, to his interrogation in order to get him to spill. And this is a hearing to determine whether Khadr’s statements to interrogators occur under an environment of coercion.
We are the only people with the capability to describe Number 11 to the outside world, owing to the restrictions placed on both the commissions and our ability to cover them. And it so happens that this is a rare case where a woman’s looks are journalistically germane. As soon as I type that, though, I feel as if I’m on a journalistic precipice, at risk of reifying the worst elements of our tradecraft. Just because the way she looks has a measure of relevance here doesn’t give us license to sensationalize or sexualize her testimony in our descriptions.
So I opted with leading with: “A youthful-looking woman in a gray suit with long brown hair is known only to us as Interrogator Number 11.” I don’t return to the question of her looks, but I bring out the “mother figure” quote and her exclusive references to “Omar” while other witnesses used “Mr. Khadr.” My thinking was that I got the subtextual mileage I needed out of that reference, and to dwell on it at greater length would be egregious. (That said, I’ll probably never have another opportunity to insert “Military Interrogator” into a MILF reference and have it actually describe the subtext of a situation — y’know, from Khadr’s perspective? — and so I couldn’t resist tweeting. Spirit willing, weak flesh, etc.)
Point is: I’m not sure I struck the right balance of the journalistic and feminist equities. Your advice is hereby solicited. I’ll be curious to see how my colleagues dealt with this question.



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No, you should mention the attractiveness angle. It’s totally germane. You didn’t invent the sexual abuse angle of the torture. The U.S. government did. Simply tell the truth. That’s all I ask of a journalist.
Thanks for your work on this.
Hey, if they tempted him with a Honey Trap- that’s news!
You might describe what a Honey Trap is and it’s long history in intelligence and interrogation and allow the reader to draw their own conclusion as to whether it applies or not if you feel squeamish.
I’d call a spade a spade.
Call it straight: they sent her in because she was a piece of ass and they wanted to use his overactive teenage hormones to try to break him. And if there was an Oedipal aspect to it, so be it. Whatever works – the torture threshold was long since passed and they didn;’t give a shit anymore.
Thing is, one day (if not already) she’s likely to have kid(s) of her own. You have to pity them, given her experience in messing with kids’ minds b/c she’s highly unlikely to be self-aware enough to not do it, even to her own kids.
Can we refrain from calling an otherwise qualified intelligence officer a “piece of ass”? If she was a military interrogator she presumably has a skillset that speaks more to her own use of her physical features to gain intel as opposed to being used solely as a pretty face.
And furthermore, one can presume that it was not a honeypot tactic, as such tactics rely on sexual blackmail rather than generating general nervousness due to apparent physical attractiveness. What could be gained by trying to blackmail the guy? They were interrogating him, not blackmailing. It was simple environmental manipulation.
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Well, that’s your definition.
Well, you could break him and get him to confess to anything.
Yup, so are stress positions and sleep deprivation.
No denying that. Doesn’t mean it wasn’t a Honey Trap- “she presumably has a skillset that speaks more to her own use of her physical features to gain intel”
And what about Lynndie England and dog collars? That was fair game?
Let’s see…There is plenty of indication that the Pentagon ordered female interrogators to give detainees unwanted lap dances and your worried about appearing sexist.
If anticipated sexual frisson arising merely from her gender and/or appearance and not actions she was instructed to or took it upon herself to take was used to further interrogation efficacy, I don’t see where this would constitute coercion.
If she was instructed to be verbally suggestive or abusive in other ways, then that would be different. But I’d have to be shown where merely using the possibility that her gender and/or attractiveness could further the interrogation as a factor in selecting her as opposed to other personnel to conduct an otherwise by-the-books interrogation (not saying it was that) would constitute abuse.
Of course this all begs the question of why the “worst of the worst”, most important and dangerous prisoners in the history of the United States were being interrogated by a 20 year old with just one months training. Was it like the CPA in Iraq where the only qualifications needed for important sensitive positions were that you be a loyal Bush/Chaney Republican with the “right” views on the issue of abortion? We would become a worldwide laughing stock if we were not so unpredictable violent and dangerous.
I said she was in her 20s, not a 20 year old. And there is no indication of her politics from her testimony — which left me convinced she must be a hell of an interrogator, possible honeytrap aside: extremely sharp & precise, nuanced, strategic thinking. Frankly, if she gets to take the stand in the July military commission, it’s a problem for the defense.
Jeff. I’m calling her Jeff.
What everyone else calls Good Cop/Bad Cop, we call Mutt and Jeff. Sometimes Tom and Jerry.
That Jeff has a certain sexual frisson, when she offers to get him out of there, if he just confesses, is all to the better.
We are good with the combined techniques.
Where is Mutt, in these hearings, anyways? I find him more interesting. You can’t do that one, as mere role.
We don’t know state of mind of Khadr, IN11, or her superiors. Spencer admits she’s mentally sharp, so likely an excellent interrogator, so she might have been the choice based on those abilities alone. We just don’t know.
Everything about Khadr’s environment during his interrogation is relevant. The way IN11 dressed is relevant, her demeanour is relevant, her tone of voice is relevant. That she’s a MIILF is relevant.
I think you should have been more explicit in the potential impact of an attractive female MI on a teenage boy. Don’t know how best to word it, but saying “an empathetic, young, physically attractive female MI” might be enough.
Let’s see two pointers, one Freudian, one not.
Try using the word ‘woman’ to describe any female of legal age.
And don’t telegraph your own sexual tension with ‘The lay of the land’, let it build subtly so that the reader reaches their own conclusion.
You must be under tremendous stress.