This week’s confrontation between a senior Army general and the president of the United States may have signaled the beginning of the end of the war in Afghanistan. In a year or two, President Obama will be able to say that he gave the conflict his best shot, reshaping the strategy and even putting in charge his top guy, the general who led the surge in Iraq — but that things still didn’t work out.
Then he can begin pulling out.
I’m not sure I agree with the reasoning Tom uses to get there, which have more to do with the personalities in Afghanistan Petraeus must now work alongside — well, maybe he can work with the dudes? — and less with the circumstances of Afghanistan war, which get short shrift in his argument. But the prediction he provides has a compelling logic to it. For the purposes of this post I am going to adopt an presumption that — to be very clear — I believe has been relentlessly overstated by the media and the blogosphere: that Obama and the military, symbolized by Petraeus, are frenemies, out to shank each other if their interests demand it. (In reality, there’s a kernel of truth to this that people think is a cornfield. But that’s all it is — a kernel.)
In this telling, Petraeus is Obama’s political insurance policy. Absolutely no one on the right will criticize the war while Petraeus is running it. The right’s only line of criticism on the war is that July 2011 is an ill-conceived deadline. But Petraeus backs the July 2011 “inflection point” on the condition that troop withdrawals after the date occur very slowly, and by picking Petraeus, Obama signaled his assent to that interpretation of his date. Still, Petraeus will testify on Tuesday, as he did last week, that he supports the date. Political Problem #1: solved.
Then there’s Political Problem #2: actual extrication, sometime verrrrry slowly in 2012 or 2013 maybe. And I wouldn’t be surprised if “extrication” involves some kind of residual force, Balkans-style, to enforce a kind of containment on a rump safe haven for al-Qaeda across the border in northern Waziristan; to serve as a launching pad for harassing that safe haven from the air; and to serve as an insurance policy in case something goes wrong. Who knows: maybe that won’t be the case and the contours of a political settlement to the war involve a phased withdrawal to zero U.S. troops like the SOFA in Iraq. But here Tom’s logic is compelling. Getting Petraeus to serve as the architect of a policy that culminates in extrication creates a national consensus around extrication. You know how Obama allowed Gen. Odierno to basically forestall withdrawal from Iraq in 2009? Now there is absolutely no controversy around leaving Iraq, which is a massive and under-appreciated political achievement. After all, consensuses can unravel when demagogy is politically useful, as the inability to close Guantanamo shows.
Finally there’s Political Problem #3: Petraeus himself. Ezra Klein puts this very succinctly in a kind of offhand observation: “David Petraeus [is] taking a command that amounts to a demotion from his current post and could destroy his reputation as a miracle worker.” If the Afghanistan war proves terminally doomed, that won’t destroy Petraeus’s Washington reputation. It’ll just bruise it. But bruising it will be enough to neutralize any political threat that Petraeus might pose to Obama. At this point, the two men have absolutely no choice but to be partners because their interests — and the country’s interests — demand it. Frankly, it’s the most productive kind of reconciliation there could be, even if the need for reconciliation between them has been overstated in the media. And if Petraeus succeeds, Obama succeeds, and they’re both miracle workers.
There’s been a lot of talk, particularly in the lead-up to the West Point speech and then again earlier this week during McChrystal’s self-immolation, about how the military “manipulated” Obama into escalating in Afghanistan. I’ve written in this space a million times how and why that’s overwrought. But if it’s true, then it’s equally true that moving Petraeus to Afghanistan shows Obama boxing the military in. Or, as Rorshach put it: None of you seem to understand. I’m not locked in here with you. You’re locked in here with me!



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Re #3, where does anyone get the idea that a) Petraeus is interested in running for office, or b) that he would do so as a Republican? I have yet to see anything greater than wishful thinking that he would do either.
to enforce a kind of containment on a rump safe haven for al-Qaeda across the border in northern Waziristan; to serve as a launching pad for harassing that safe haven from the air; and to serve as an insurance policy in case something goes wrong.
Isn’t that effectively what Kuwait became for us after the first Gulf war, what Okinawa more or less acts for us now? It wouldn’t surprise me at all if that’s exactly what our relationship with Afghanistan eventually becomes: a carefully placed hold, just in case. I think that’s what a lot of critics of the current Afghan policy wish we had in place now.
Oh, i have been thinking this for a while – the Prez says he’ll give them what they want, now show me what you’ve got. Then it’s out of there. This is his signature style.
Interesting thoughts, all of them. Both from Ackerman and from others.
That Petraeus has or was told to have Prez ambitions is no secret, and I think can be accepted as a valid speculation, even an OBVIOUS one. And I concur that Obama’s now curtailed those political ambitions completely. Neutered them across the board, and that’s pretty clever.
Is Obama really the ‘Leventy Dimensional Chess Player? I don’t THINK so, not based on just this. Or anything else, for that matter. He’s failed to act in too many opportunities all the while bashing his base. Failed politics, not good chess.
He has failed the American People, in too many ways (all ways). Corruption, collusion, and shilling for the corps doom him to one term, and we the people many more years to come of erosion in the quality of our lives because of Obama’s failure to reform it all, invest in we the people, and effect change he promised.
And another thing, this will take the shine off Petraeus’s run for president.
There is a winning strategy in Irak and Afghanistan. BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW! Leave the mercenaries there. They can join all the private armies run by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
What are the chances that someone in ‘power’ read your article about the taliban judges and decides to adopt the strategy suggested?
I believe the country’s interests are incidental to their interests. If any of these people were putting country first, they would get us out of Af/Pak now, not in a year or two years or 10 years.
Petraeus will claim Obama put him a no-win situation and then refused to back him up.
Anyone willing to vote for Petraeus would never question it.
He could quit to run for President and that other famous Quitter could have another run at VP with him. Yeah, that’s the ticket.
I doubt tha someone without political ambitions in the GOP does this:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/david-petraeus-speculation-presidential-bid-alive/story?id=10645536
Obama stuck Petraeus with a Bush problem the killing of civilians, secret Afghan Prisons, Torture now either the General cleans it up himself or Rahm King of Leaks will be the Former WH official who will time a steady stream of leaks about all of this to some lucky reporter when the General runs for President.
Ricks’s argument is silly.
Obama has already escalated (twice) because he was afraid of opposition from GOP and from inside the military. Now he’s going to buck them just because Petraeus (might) back him up? I don’t think so.
It’s more likely that Petraeus, his image and his “surge” philosophy taking a beating, will want to double down, and even if he doesn’t, even if he recommends withdrawal, that won’t stop the GOP from unleashing the kind of shit storm that scares Obama.
Agreed but if the General leaves Afghanistan to campaign then he gets tagged as a quiter who left the troops in the lurch without his guidance.
His claim to the Presidency is he can win the war/s
If he leaves Afghanistan he voids that. If he argues for more troops equipment etc then he argues for a tax increase.
I wonder if Obama and Rahm have the political savvy to realize this last part.
The correct term is “unwillingness”, not “failure”.
I. too, always assume my conclusions and just fill in from there.
never mind a bit that Obama campaigned on fighting in and around Afghanistan.
I don’t think Obama will get us out of Afghanistan anytime soon and I don’t think that McChrystal tricked Obama in any way in regards to the length of time we’ll be in Afghanistan. I say this because this is part of a larger strategy that goes beyond the military. It would make no sense to declare the war over the minute you’ve got the place for indefinite detainees built (Gitmo North). All the indefinite detentions and other nasty parts of what’s been done in the name of war aren’t just going to stop and since they aren’t just going to stop, that means you’ve got to have perma-war.
If you believe that I got some oil free Florida beachfront property to sell you:)
Thats what they want yes but can they afford it without cutting Social Security? Can the GOP the prowar party sell their older White Male base their strongest demographic on that?
The economic effects of the BP oil spill alone might kill our economy’s ability to pay for 2 wars.
Petraeus gives Obama cover for killing the July 2012 withdrawl date.
Can’t leave till conditions on the ground improve, need more troops, won’t commit to an end date, blah, blah, blah.
Just like Iraq, we’re gonna be in there for years and years.
So what? a) The pledge was a political necessity, also borne of fear of the soft-on-security charge. b) since when is Obama or any pres bound by a campaign promise c) he never promise a large an escalation as he’s ordered
Lastly, most importantly, are you honestly arguing that politics didn’t play a big role in Obama’s escalations?
I’m arguing that you haven’t any way to say that Obama’s undertaking the fight in Afghanistan is due to pressure from the Republicans or military.
You assumed it in your comment and I say that you’ve said it without support for it or the ability to provide support for it.
in July 2008, he said that he had been calling for a troop increase for over a year…..
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/20/obama.afghanistan/
With the recent announcement of Afghanistan possessing a fortune in various natural resources, the US will never, ever leave. Until perhaps we are broke. Or more broke.
So, optimistically, Obama will carry on the Afghanistan war all through his first term and well into his second term, and in the end will have achieved nothing. Sounds like good policy to me.
Sounds like a good way to spend our social security money to me.
Macaquer, you is at your best, tonight.
Truly.
Tails up!
DW
Hey, DW!
Two opposing thumbs up to you, too.
;~D
I was under the impression that this was already done at the tail end of the Bush administration, national consensus and all.
And the fact that Obama promised 2 more brigades for Afghanistan does not give him carte blanche to put as many troops as he wants.
As usual with stuff Ezra writes, it’s hard to rebut this much nonsense in a few sentences, but let me try.
First, this is by no means a demotion, other than technically. Patraeus will be doing what any general worth his salt ought to want to do: running a war. It’s a big war, and his predecessor was a four star general, so there’s no loss of status.
Second, Patraeus was only a “miracle worker” in Iraq because the press wanted to make him one. The Republicans own the press. Problem solved. If the GOP wants Patraeus’ reputation spotless, it will be as long as he doesn’t do something as stupid as what McChrystal did. One thing nearly all of us know about Patraeus is that he is much more politically astute than McChrystal has shown himself to be.
Cujo’s spot on: BushCo nominated David Petraeus as U.S. Grant,and the MSM vetted him. He implemented the gigantic payoff/bribe system to the Sunni insurgents to lay low long enough for bush to get out of Dodge, and give McCain some tiny vestigial chance of keeping the White House in GOP hands and sustaining Operation Enduring Shitmire.
As we now know, they needn’t have worried; Obama’s done a yeoman’s job of sustaining the worst of Bush’s policies.
And, we also know what the deal was for the pentagon to keep their pie-holes shut and ostensibly support his sacking of McChrystal:
Obama just bailed on the June 2011 withdrawal schedule for Afghanistan:
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/06/24/obama-disavows-july-2011-afghan-drawdown-date/
Jeebs, what drivel. The box that Obama has put us and our Afghanistan victims in is that nothing will change till July 2011, not even superficially, and then superficial “change” will happen as part of the election opera, to revert to status quo afterwards.
Plus, all Petraeus has to do is hand in a principled resignation whenever the election opera offers a good opportunity, and he has the Dolchstoss wrapped perfectly.
Obama not only does not have a clue about Auftragstaktik, as William Lind would put it, his strategic thinking is on par with the German HQs of 1914 and 1939. Luckily, he is to focused on 2012 to consider WW3.
Did we get out of Iraq yet? How/s Gitmo doin’ these days?
Spencer: that’s the best we can do? Obama and Petraeus dancing a pas-de-deux of two bloody-handed hookers, in this misery?
I agree; think that’s what’s happening, now that Obama has held up his end of the Pentagon’s “he’s not REALLY a wimp” deal by standing with him on the sacking of McChrystal, but there’s a third party to this obscene soap opera: the american voters, and I have a notion that after the years of George Bush, they are sick, sick, sick, of this kind of political hackery, especially when it’s being implemented by a president whom so many of us hoped would put common sense and common decency first, in his policy decisions.
The voters can’t get right at Obama in the mid-terms; they’re going to have to wait until 2012 to do that, but they can damn sure get at his party. In 18 weeks, we are going to get shellacked. and it couldn’t happen to a nicer jellyfish herd of “centrists”.
I still stand by what I wrote when it went down: I think Obama, Gates and Superman have decided to pull out during the next 2-3 years. Now its about damagelimitation. Nobody ever believed that the Talebs were vital threat to the US ever.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5224036/
Not a threat?