OUTSIDE RAMSTEIN AIR BASE, IN A QUAINT-ASS GERMAN TOWN, Germany — I hate to say I told you so, starting way back in May. But now that the anti-Muslim bile against the unobjectionable Islamic center called Cordoba House has reached mainstream saturation, look what’s showing up on the internet:
Evan F. Kohlmann, who tracks militant Web sites at the security consulting firm Flashpoint Global Partners, said supporters of Al Qaeda have seized on the controversy “with glee.” On radical Web forums, he said, the dispute over the Islamic center, which would include space for worship, is lumped together with fringe developments like a Florida pastor’s call for making Sept. 11 “Burn a Koran Day.”
“It’s seen as proof of what Awlaki and others have been saying, that the U.S. is hypocritical and that most Americans are enemies of Islam,” Mr. Kohlmann said. He called the anti-Islam statements spawned by the dispute “disturbing and sad” and said they were feeding anti-American sentiment that could provoke violence.
To be clear: We should never do something or not do something based solely on the degree of enthusiasm exhibited by the bin Ladenist conspiracy theorists. And those who object to Cordoba House based on that are to be pitied and reasoned with in the spirit of comity and brotherhood, even if they won’t extend those sentiments to their fellow Americans.
But as Ali Soufan, who knows more about al-Qaeda than nearly anyone else in the U.S. national security apparatus, argues, Cordoba House is an example of religious pluralism that makes absolutely no sense in the bin Ladenist critique. To reject it will have the effect of conceding to bin Laden that Islam can only occupy a diminished and tenuous place in America. Except al-Qaeda won’t put that way. It’ll say “you cannot count on the message of solidarity you may get from a civic group or a political party, or the word of support you hear from a kind neighbor or a nice co-worker. The West will eventually turn against its Muslim citizens!” We know it’ll say that that because Anwar Awlaki already has.
The clear implication is that Islamic identity and Western identity are hopelessly irreconcilable, so you’ve got to choose; and then after you choose, you’ve got to mobilize. That’s what bin Laden believes. I cannot believe that Andy McCarthy actually agrees with that, even if he comes at it from the opposite perspective, but columns like these leave little other interpretation available. It’s time to step back from a dangerous precipice. The small-minded passions of Westerners who think that they’ve found a threatening global conspiracy emerging from an ancient Abrahamic faith now have damaging strategic implications. All of which is to say that old-fashioned American religious pluralism is a weapon against al-Qaeda. Or, as the 43rd president of the United States put it, America’s vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one.



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Lots of good reasons why opposition to the project is stupid, un-American and deeply counterproductive. You offer another good reason here.
But here’s the thing. It’s all kind of pointless, because nobody who opposes Cordoba House is doing so in good faith. It’s not a political issue, it’s not a legal issue, it’s certainly not a national issue. It’s a local land-use/development debate in a New York neighborhood. No one can dispute that the developers have every right to proceed with their project. There is no legal mechanism for government to block it, as it enjoys all the legal protections of any other house of worship building project.
So the opposition to the project falls into two categories. There are people who have developed a racial or sectarian hatred of Muslims, and would like to see them deprived of the rights guaranteed to other Americans, and there are politicians and pundits who see an opportunity to use that “base” of bigotry for political gain, electoral and fundraising.
American politics has long been about tribal hatred and fear of the other. But now we’re watching it go mainstream, and you can’t put that toothpaste back in the tube. There is just no conceivable way that this doesn’t get much uglier…
mikey
This is one of those times you wish you hadn’t been proven correct. Now we have a non-issue blowing up in our faces. It remains to be seen if more moderate Muslims take the bait, but the wedge that is being driven between the US and Islam is not in our best interest.
Exactly. Not that many will admit it, but opposition is completely based on the negative opinion of Muslims, and the clever(?) politicians who siezed the opportunity, fanning the fear to try to score points for themselves. This is something that is deeply destructive on so many levels, and it is shocking that so many Americans have jumped on to this band wagon. We will be trying to reverse the damage far into the future.
Park51
It’s called Park51 now, in a concession to the crazies’ un-peer-reviewed “research” about Cordoba, Spain.
I don’t look at today’s hatred of “Muslims”, (I use quotes because most of these people wouldn’t know a Muslim if bitten by one), in the United States as dissimilar from European hatred of Jewish people and blaming them for all of the economic ills of the late twenties and early thirties. One thing all despots have in common and that is a scapegoat. Someone to blame for everything that is wrong and hold up the elimination of that group as a panacea for whatever ails a society.
Think some form of fascism can’t happen here? Corporations already largely control government policy and the only people motivated to vote in the mid terms are the extreme, xenophobic, right wing nationalists. Sound familiar? If it doesn’t, I would suggest that you look at European history, say from 1913 to 1945.
A-yep.
Meanwhile, the GOP/Media complex continues to be the best friend bin Laden ever had.
Please make note of whom are offering that scapegoat:
As always, Margaret, you hit the nail on the head. Thanks. Yes. I agree 100%.
It’s no accident that well-known anti-semite Billy Graham now has a son, Franklin, who is “graciously” choosing to stand up now and “identify” Obama as “really a Muslim.”
It is no accident, and these people mean no good.
Bin Laden has won the war. He has proven us to be his equals and not his betters.
Now we get to find out what happens to the planet when there are no more nations who act as a beacon of freedom to the rest of the world; who give people hope in a better future; who give people an ideal for which to strive. This will be ugly. “Do as I say and not as I do” didn’t work on me when I was a kid and it won’t work for America anymore now that the rest of the world has seen behind the curtain.
It will be a race to the bottom.
Doomed
I think America is at war with Islam and that we are currently experiencing World War 4. The USA is to WW4 as Germany was to WW2. This war is going to end badly for America, imho. I think a city will be nuked, probably Washington, DC.
If by that you mean that we’ll continue to do the same stupid things we’ve been doing, or worse, then I agree. That’s one clear strategic implication. Fear and hatred do not promote clear thinking.
But that’s part of the problem. The US is not at war with Islam, no matter how much some folks are trying to make it so.
But I do agree that the occupations are likely to end badly.
Yes, I agree. If he’s still alive bin Laden is probably doing that downward arm pull thing and going: yessssssssss!
For some reason, I keep thinking of Nikita Kruschev saying: “We will bury you.” Not quite the same, and history proved Kruschev wrong. Yet I posit that we have become our own worst enemy – via greed, venality and wanton stupidity – and we are burying ourselves.
The fact that Dems can’t even use this to their advantage is annoying. We basically elected John Kerry President.
Interesting that OBL and AQ were spawned during the Cold War as US proxies fighting the Soviets, then after the collapse of the Soviet empire they stepped up to fill the bogey-man void. Back to military business as usual. If OBL did not exist it would have been necessary to invent him.
Oh, we did?
Never mind.
America: keeping the world
safeprofitable.I agree and with what Margaret had to say above. This is just a terrible time for us. How do we get the wing nuts like Graham et al out of the conversation? Seems impossible. Now we have workers in NY refusing to build the Community Center. O man, what next?
The Republics obviously feel that it is in their best interest to keep shouting about it. OTherwise, voters might think back and recall how the Republics drove this Nation to the brink.
I’ve been thinking about this for a while. I think we’re seeing a developing global re-definition of democratic governance. The concept is evolving, and that evolution is converging around the Russian/Chinese model of market capitalism and limited property rights under a corrupt oligarchy. People will be free to pursue wealth within the constraints demanded by the corporations (low wages, no labor organizations, limited government oversight) and live their lives as they choose, but they will not be permitted to participate in the governance/policy choices. Whether sham elections (a la Russia) will be a permanent feature or just a vestige of more liberal concepts remains to be seen, but the process seems to be leading to this kind of model. A totalitarian police state with an unusual degree of individual freedom.
mikey
And we are being driven to your model by the ability of the corrupt politicians and corporate allies (a la Fox news) to manipulate the opinions and whims of the people.
If the USA ever went to war with Islam, we wouldn’t call it a “war on Islam.” But I think it’s clear we want to turn Afghans into a Western democracy — which is just another way of saying we’re at “war with Islam.” Feminists want to save teenage girls in Afghanistan from having their clitoris cut off. That is tantamount to a war on Islam. We want to change how these people think. THAT is a war on Islam. It will end badly… FOR US.
The US government has been a kleptocracy for a long time, it is simply that of late the corruption and thievery has become a bit too brazen to ignore. The reason for that is the kleptocrats’ confidence that they can defeat any attempt at reform. One of their most successful tactics is keeping people distracted by bullshit, such as phony mosque controversies.
No, that only occurred inside the mind of a long-gone guy named John Calvin (predestination).
I loved his work with his good friend Hobbs.
Bwa ha ha ha!
I’m sooo bummed they changed their name. Cordoba is very American! I learned that from Chrysler and the Corinthian leather and everything (Montablan was sooo kewl). ;)
Maybe somebody doesn’t like Spain either?
You’re right, but it’s almost a non-sequitor. If the concept of democracy is evolving, it’s evolving because those in power think that a modified, less liberal form of governance that operates more autonomously is in their interest. I don’t do conspiracy theories, this isn’t intentional or a plot. It’s just the people in power using that power to modify the system so it functions in a manner more beneficial to them. And in many ways, the people’s opinion matters least of all in this calculation. The whole point is to make the people’s opinion moot. The process actually occurs in the legislature and the judiciary. Much as Judy Miller didn’t start an illegal aggressive war, GW Bush and Dick Cheney did, what fox news is doing at MOST is lending a certain credibility to political actions that would have been unthinkable thirty years ago.
Things like the Patriot act, surveillance state, high rates of long term incarceration, limitations on civil liberties, raising the bar on lawsuits, rollbacks of protections of individual rights (miranda, 4th amendment cases etc.) are the actual nuts and bolts of a generalized process in which the system continues to protect itself.
One of the keys to making this evolutionary process successful if for them to find a balance between unfettered power and popular revolution. The key is allowing people to keep freedoms and opportunities that are generally ‘harmless’ or even that contribute to the well-being of the powerful (the “right” to start a business and work 70 hour weeks).
But in twenty years or so, I think you’ll see the US, Russia, China, India, all the major democracies converge on a model of governance that allows significant individual freedom and virtually no political freedom, all in the name of maximizing corporate profits, and this model will be substantially successful. The only real risk to it’s longevity would be rebellion…
mikey
I strongly disagree with you.
Ground Zero belongs to all Americans just like the Lincoln Memorial belongs to all Americans and not just Washington, D.C. Same as Pearl Harbor, emotionally, belonged to all Americans for many years and not just Hawaiians.
New York City was not attacked on 9/11. The entire country, the people and what it stands for was attacked. If that wasn’t true, no one would have tried to make the point that US policies, etc. were responsible for the attack. It would have been stated that New York City policies were responsible (especially since the perpetrators of any heinous act are obviously not responsible for their own actions).
So, it’s odd that on one hand, when it benefits one side, 9/11 is an indictment of the entire country and its policies, and then changes to a local issue when it benefits it that side the other way.
The center has no particular reason why it HAS to be there. It could be anywhere. Ground Zero can’t move. The fact that the landing gear of Mohammad Atta’s plane landed on the site of the center cannot be changed.
Unless we want the general public to call gay men names because we have the right to, and judgment based on the feelings of others is not important anymore, then, it seems the American, human thing to do is get all groups together, get some dialogue going and come to a solution that takes into account everyone’s situation.
And, the beginning of that last paragraph is only one example of the many, many rights we have that out of judgment and consideration we don’t exercise.
On a completely separate point, Muslims have to realize that until they ostracize the Al Queda, Hamas and Hezbollah type groups to the same degree that San Francisco ostracized the backers of Prop 8, they will have some association with the acts of those who swear just as strongly that what they do it forwarding Islam.
I might also say, that when they stop policies such as not allowing anyone who is not a Muslim into Mecca and Medina, they will gain much more consideration and respect for tolerance toward themselves.
What goes around comes around is an old saying not because of words, but because life actually works that way. If you want others to tolerate you, you had better begin to tolerate the presence of others who don’t agree with you and their feelings.
But, lastly, lets be real. If this center was intended to boost the remembrance of 9/11 and honor those who died, it would get no support whatsoever from this forum. Or, very little.
Only because some feel it will tend to destroy any emotion or connection of 9/11 is it being supported strongly. I say, don’t hide behind the center, just straight up say how you feel about 9/11.
Of course, the complete obsession with al Qaeda is heading off relief for Pakistan from the U.S. too. (post above.)
Let’s only abide by the First Amendment when everyone agrees that it is politically convenient. Anyway, the Second Amendment is the only one that really matters, right?
The Twin Towers which were destroyed by massive explosions are sacred ground. They are sacred to neo-cons because it provided a pretext for the LONG WARS. WTC 7, pulled by Silverstein is also sacred. Peter Peterson received over $500 million sacred dollars in insurance after his relatively small investment just before 9-11. None of that blood money went to victims of 9-11. Peterson’s enormous profits are used by him to help destroy social security.
Then there is also the sacred steel from the destroyed steel structures. This sacred steel was sent to China. Some unknown person made the decision to conceal the evidence from a massive crime scene. Then the destruction of these buildings can never be determined forensically.
Dude, you’re really bumming me out. Very thoughtful comments. I refuse to believe that these results are inevitable. It is not too late to take back the mantle of freedom and hope.
We are the ones who control the vote. We need to exercise that control and vote all incumbents out this November. And we need to keep voting out incumbents until we find people with the courage to stand up for constitutional principles.
Right now, the bullies are controlling the playground. The teachers don’t want to get involved because then the bullies will target them. We need new teachers who are willing to take those bullies by the scruff of their neck and beat the hell out of them with a ruler. A vote for an incumbent is a vote for Bin Laden. ;-)
There is no Democrat in congress who is blameless. They all allowed this to happen. Vote them out before we are stuck with the fruits of their labor for generations to come.
Spot on Spencer. Good post.
Every situation is its own scene.
Boy Scouts have the Constitutional right to exclude gays.
Are you saying no one should protest that because it is a right??
Those disagreeing with the center’s location are protesting. Who knows? They might even lay down in front of bull dozer. Oh gosh, no one’s ever done that before to stop someone from exercising their property rights.
The people have the right to protest and organize to oppose anything. Whether it is a store buying from someone the protesters wish they didn’t, or a club that doesn’t include everyone.
The center can build. The opposition can protest, write, organize and march.
Both are as American as apple pie.
As long as the builders and the protesters are in compliance with local requirements, so be it.
I’ve read recently that group proposing to build the center does not have the necessary funds to proceed, that they have only raised $15,000 toward the project. I’m taking that with a grain of salt without further evidence. If that is the case however, then this really is the phoniest of phony controversies.
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Cordoba House is an example of religious pluralism that makes absolutely no sense in the bin Ladenist critique…The clear implication is that Islamic identity and Western identity are hopelessly irreconcilable, so you’ve got to choose; and then after you choose, you’ve got to mobilize. That’s what bin Laden believes.
And, per this Laurie Kerr, this is another reason why Bin Laden focused on the WTT.
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2010/08/am-i-the-only-person-in-the-world-who-remembers-that-the-world-trade-center-was-a-work-of-islamic-ar.html
So the “Ground Zero Mosque”controversy is yet more bin Ladenism from the American right.
You might very well be right.
I think your mistake is the common one…that evolution (biological, social, political) has an arrow on it. That this thing evolves towards that thing. It doesn’t…they don’t. Something evolves from what it is to something else quite unpredictable, and it happens because the pressures build up (Stephen Jay Gould’s saltation) and something snaps (Naomi Klein’s disaster capitalism), and now you’ve got something that wasn’t there before…and it wasn’t predicted nor predictable…and we (who are it) don’t even know what it is, or where it is going.
This is why it makes absolutely no sense what the center builders are doing. If the purpose is the build bridges and healing, they ought to begin, and should have begun long ago, working to build common ground and agreement with interested parties. It is a basic, as in development 101, premise–you build support among local groups and others impacted by a project before you go public with it.
An actual sign, as opposed to lip service, of real intention to build bridges, etc. would have been meeting with 9/11 families to go over the project and gain support. That could still be done now.
I know a church group in my town that wanted to build a project of a church and school. Before even bringing any plans to the City, they met extensively with a number of neighborhood groups and environmental groups, etc. to work out problems and gain support.
THAT’s how it is really done when your true aim is building bridges.
That might be the center’s true aim. If so, they ought to begin walking the walk now.
No bridge building activities–activities, not words–now, equals very little likelihood of such later.
What is amazing about this issue is that there is already a Mosque in the building in question….
http://www.newslook.com/videos/236882-ground-zero-mosque-controversy
You do know the Park51 developers went through all the legal and community-building steps, with great interfaith success, in their planning process, right? And that until this issue was highjacked by the GOP from loonies like Pam Geller, everything was going well?
You need to inform yourself on the history of this issue, the recent history of the past year, before you comment further. You really are embarrassing yourself.
The people planning this community center have already gotten the support of Manhattan’s community board for the area, as they are involved in zoning issues and such. Also, while the majority of Americans might have reservations about it’s construction (though most poll results I’ve seen list the questioning as “Mosque near Ground Zero” and may be failing to clarify the difference between the community center and the mosque inside), the majority of people living in the area it will be built support it’s construction.
As for the 9/11 families, I haven’t seen any real numbers (because I don’t think there are any) but many groups representing the families have come out in support of it, although the groups opposing it would like to claim it as an affront to the 9/11 families as a whole.
It’s altogether to easy to pretend you think the term “evolution” has no application outside of biology. Systems evolve, and indeed, the biological process informs our understanding of the process, but of course no one thinks the two are identical. Try to think in terms of understanding how a system might try to optimize itself in order to maximize its value to those who have have access to the levers of power. They are, after all, the people who can best shape the evolution of the system. Can you see how, even without biological processes, evolution serves as a valuable metaphor for the way systems might change over time?
mikey
Yes, but here you have people in the government protesting their founding documents. It is cause for a little more concern.
And I protested against the Boy Scouts because they were excluding gay children and teaching the others that discrimination was a core value of good citizens. I was hoping my protests would change their policy. Once they made clear that they would not change their policy, the protests stopped. And they stopped because we all respect their right as a private group to discriminate. You are making false equivalencies here.
I take much comfort in your statement. Thanks. It is easy to see a linear progression here and the end of that road is terrifying. But the people of this country may well surprise me; an incident may ignite a fire in the populace; changes may be forced upon us from abroad.
That is the thing I love most about life–there is no use plotting a path because life has a way of changing course at the most inconvenient of times leaving you to question your reality and eventually, to form a new one. It is at that point that you realize just how much of this thing we call life is all in our heads. I love those moments of clarity.
And let’s not forget, we were not attacked by Muslims, we were attacked by al-Qaida.
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This is not an issue of religion.