If so, that’s cynical. No one knows better than Petraeus that body counts are a misleading metric for judging progress against an insurgency. Look at territory reclaimed from insurgents; the ability of the Afghan government to dispense material and legal services at reclaimed territory; the performance of Afghan security forces — all of these are more reliable measurements of progress or failure than insurgents taken off the board, because the insurgency has proven its ability to replenish its ranks.
It may be true that kill-or-captures is a more intuitive measurement. That doesn’t make it a reliable one. And putting out an unreliable measurement will only deepen — justifiably — people’s sense that they’re being misled about the war. And it’s hardly just Petraeus and not just Afghanistan. When White House adviser John Brennan brags about inflicting “severe blows against the leadership of al Qaeda and its affiliates” through drone strikes, the Obama administration replicates its predecessor’s blandishments about taking out two-thirds of al-Qaeda’s known leadership. And yet, as Brennan knows — it’s the premise of his May CSIS speech! — the al-Qaeda threat mutates away from central direction, as the rise of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula indicates.
Rajiv Chandrasekaran has an excellent piece, for instance, about lingering British and American differences in Helmand over how enemy-centric to be. That’s an indicator of persistent incoherence in Afghanistan. If there’s an enemy-centric metric worth examining, it’s how Pakistani sponsors of the insurgency compel insurgents to give up the fight and sue for peace; and what U.S. efforts, military and diplomatic, contribute to a negotiated end to the war. Then it’s on to instantiate the “destroy, dismantle and defeat” endgame for al-Qaeda. If the Obama administration is holding out body counts of al-Q “leaders,” it’s a tacit admission it doesn’t know how to get where it wants to go.



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The late William Westmoreland is probably looking with pride on Petraeus.
All “body counts” show is someone knows how to count dead people
My metric just where can the Press go in Afghanistan without a bullet proof vest? can any Congressman drive through any Afghan city without a military escort? Its been what about ten years and how many billions of Dollars and Afghanistan is still not safe.
Tell me this do Americans want more war in Afghanistan at the Price of cutting Social Security.
Return of a misleading metric why the General has nothing else but lies to back up his case. But why isn’t even the GOP running to support the General this is an election year?
Just how much trouble is the Afghan war in the polls that the GOP won’t run on war?
How much would it cost give the G.I.’s squads their very own cannabis vaporizers..wouldn’t that reduce the body count if they were to stoned to go out on patrol (excluding guard duty)?
but but what happens when they run out of fingers & toes to count?? How will they know??
Not sure that’s a fair question, because the American people aren’t being given the information they need to make a considered judgement. As long as domestic political leadership uses hyped external threats (WMD, al Quaeda, Taliban, Iran etc) and national security to create a fearful population that will acquiesce to political, budgetary, civil rights and resource allocation decisions that would otherwise be unacceptable, then people are going to demand that everything else be sacrificed in the name of the threat.
One of the reasons that Spencer is valuable is that he regularly advocates for an accurate reading of the nature and potential effectiveness of the external threat and for a rational, proportionate response. But as long as the political leadership frames these wars as “necessary for our survival and the survival of our way of life”, they will receive support from the bigots and “clash of civilization” fanbois and the wars will continue…
mikey
The General ever read Sun Tzu no country has ever benefited from a long war. I guess congress and the WH have not read it either.
Last month they cut food stamps to fund saving teachers. Cutting seniors disposable income would transfers those funds to more war funding…hey makes a lot of sense if you are a military contractor like Blackwater Xe
As Arlo Guthrie sang..”I want to kill, kill, kill…” 40 years later has anything changed? Catfood when you get old and killing when your young what a plan man.
If we had Dems with Spines that question would be asked.
Obama and Congress fail geography Ossama is in Pakistan not Iraq not Afghanistan the problem will never go away until we get the terrorists where they live not where they choose to fight us.
Both these stupid wars are a waste of money.
If Ossama attacks America again it will be because Bush, Obama and the General never went after Ossama!
I hope the General, Bush and Obama feel guilty if that happens…oh wait you have to have a soul to feel guilt.
The bodies are hard to count accurately in Muslim countries where burial is required in 24 hours?
10 years and we got nothing just admit it General you failed what you don’t want to admit defeat now?
Fine imagine how bad it will be in 11 or 12 years you General can get in the history books for losing America’s longest war every West Point student will study you.
As an example of what not to do. quit now while your ahead
General will you quit give up your pension and not join any Corporate boards or give loser speeches to GOP groups if you can’t win the war?
If you can’t put you butt on the line what makes you think you can ask our troops too.
Much less ask us for more money.
Do they count massively failed national banks in their body counts?
We are losing on that front too.
The American people have already made up their minds about the Afghanistan war. Obama has yet to get their message, but he will.
The US repeatedly exercises its option to take out its own leadership in Afghanistan while it crows about the supposed positive effects (to the US) of taking out the enemy leadership.
The US partners with a country (Pakistan) which one of the “taken out” US leaders (Gen. McChrystal) assessed a year ago was probably assisting the US enemy in Afghanistan. That’s a first, partnering with a country aiding the enemy.
Does any of this make any sense?
No.
Another obvious answer to a serious question.
In war even the winner loses.
Resorting to war instead of diplomacy rarely ever makes sense, and initiating an aggressive war is a war crime.
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are wars of aggression. Therefore, they are war crimes.
Discussions about metrics of success for those wars are irrelevant bullshit.